House Oversight Committee UAP Hearing

The three witnesses were Ryan Graves, a former Navy F-18 pilot and founder of Americans for Safe Aerospace; David Grusch, a former 14-year intelligence officer and UAP Task Force member who filed a whistleblower complaint; and retired Navy Commander David Fravor, who witnessed the 2004 Tic Tac encounter. All three testified under oath and brought firsthand military or intelligence experience to the hearing.

Grusch said he was informed, during his official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. He said he was denied access when he requested it. He also told Rep. Garcia that he believes the U.S. government is in possession of UAPs and that he knows the exact locations, which he said were provided to the Inspector General and some intelligence committees.

Graves told the subcommittee that since 2021, all UAP videos are classified at the secret level or above. He argued this level of secrecy impedes understanding and fuels speculation and mistrust.

Fravor said the air controller told his crew that objects had been observed for over two weeks coming down from above 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hovering for hours, and then going straight back up. When Fravor's crew arrived, they saw a white Tic Tac-shaped object moving abruptly over the water with no visible rotors or control surfaces. When he maneuvered toward it, the object rapidly accelerated and disappeared, then reappeared roughly 60 miles away almost instantly.

Rep. Luna stated that one poll found 68 percent of Americans believe the government is hiding information about UAPs. She also noted that members were denied access to a classified briefing before the hearing. Rep. Moskowitz cited the All-Domain Resolution Office, noting its initial analysis included 171 uncharacterized UAP reports that appeared to show unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities.

All three witnesses agreed the current system is inadequate. Graves said commercial pilots have no formal reporting channel and fear losing their jobs if they come forward. Fravor called the absence of a centralized system 'a travesty.' Both agreed that unidentified objects in shared airspace pose a real flight safety risk regardless of their origin.